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@  ₱20 Bill : (25 May 2018 - 02:01 PM)

@bill44ca @kantutero Idk, re Subic... You're right it's not a 24x7 smorgasbord, but it has a mellow sweetness that is not without a special charm for me. I haven't been in a year, maybe because I was seeking the former, but I'd still like to go back to BB again.

@  bill44ca : (25 May 2018 - 01:08 PM)

that was the quote of the month

@  bill44ca : (25 May 2018 - 01:08 PM)

@ kantutero : (23 May 2018 - 12:23 PM)
If you want a large variety of girls, AC; if you want to get the leftovers from a local crew of expats that grab any new talent at the handful of dumpy bars they have in BB, then you'll love Subic (and be hailed as a conquering hero on the other board LOL)

@  Kadachiman : (25 May 2018 - 12:33 PM)

just watched?

@  samthedog : (25 May 2018 - 10:40 AM)

billiard rule that's meant to say

@  samthedog : (25 May 2018 - 10:40 AM)

watched a great big guy really shouting and intimidating a a very small girl in twenty tenty bar baretto last night because she had a different rule to him. she was well pissed and he scared her shitless. bet he feels more like a man now

@  Gago Mike : (24 May 2018 - 08:06 PM)

The new Solo movie is on Terrarium for all u Star Wars people

@  Red Horse : (24 May 2018 - 01:48 PM)

I don’t think the wife & daughter are too high on the mongering trips (to be frank) but I think this one I’m broadcasting. Exactly what is the harm if I buy some upland catfish farm in Thailand? What’s the sense of getting bogged down in one area?

@  Red Horse : (24 May 2018 - 01:42 PM)

Just a trip to BKK/Patts & MNL/AC. Could say I’m visiting ex-military friends. I’m not but on Phils side, I could just say wonder why so many soldiers & sailers retire I’m PI?

@  Red Horse : (24 May 2018 - 01:38 PM)

OMG! Just got the best idea for a huge worldwide windup/advanced 1st tier level trolling on Twitter & Facebook...trip in Asia to al the most sordid places but Gee, I hope I don’t run into the wrong sorts of people!

@  Red Horse : (24 May 2018 - 01:15 PM)

Simple Q. Might be worth a thread. A guy wants or needs to buy some land. Thai or Phils? Willing to shack up/get married. Fish farm, carabao, rice, pineapples,whatever. Where is best?

@  bill44ca : (24 May 2018 - 01:46 AM)

@Kant Handful of Dumpy Bars is funny, perhaps Tee Shirts with that above Subic Pic LOL

@  grahamuk : (23 May 2018 - 10:05 PM)

When she's down to one a day ?

@  JPDIII : (23 May 2018 - 06:23 PM)

After how many men being serviced is a girl labeled a "leftover". I don't go to AC looking for a cherry girl !

@  kantutero : (23 May 2018 - 05:23 PM)

If you want a large variety of girls, AC; if you want to get the leftovers from a local crew of expats that grab any new talent at the handful of dumpy bars they have in BB, then you'll love Subic (and be hailed as a conquering hero on the other board LOL)

@  bkk7 : (23 May 2018 - 08:27 AM)

i'm guessing then Manila/QC/Makati isn't worth it at all? BKK to PP tonight then 2 more days. can't wait!

@  stew : (23 May 2018 - 08:03 AM)

Subic retirement home for mongers

@  bill44ca : (23 May 2018 - 07:08 AM)

I agree AC hands down over Subic. If you had a couple months in AC or even a month then you might want 2 nights in Subic

@  bkk7 : (23 May 2018 - 05:57 AM)

thanks for the advice! trying to PM someone bc i just bought the discount card but am forbidden from viewing profiles or PMing

@  Kadachiman : (23 May 2018 - 05:56 AM)

you can read some trip reports on here about AC vs Subic vs other places.....and I think you will conclude that AC is the perfect destination for a 5 day trip



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Posted 12 May 2018 - 07:07 PM

So I met this 20 year old on FB and she has all the makings of a unicorn.  beautiful, smart, amazing english and best of all she wants to meet up on my next trip.  Yeah she is not "different" but I have been completely blown away with little that I know right now. LOL  So I wanted to ask the experts here what you would think if you met someone like this BUT she also has these other red flags errrrr I mean charms:

-went to flight school and is a student pilot

-went to chef college but had to stop

-dated primarily middle eastern men before

-family seems to make alot of money (remodeling house, etc)

-takes vacations to bohol

-stays in expensive hotels (in philippine terms)

 

She wants to meet up for dinner, which I agreed but is now talking about wanting to stay with me for the time I have there.  Now I did not meet her in bar, only online. There is no evidence of FL or other sponsors that I can tell. She is of course saying all the normal things pinay says, such as love you and cant wait to be with you etc.

 

Are these signs that she might be upper class of Philippines, or just playing a long game?  I cant seem to figure this one out. I have seen her parents house and it looks almost western style.  I was floored by never really encountering a RICH family there.

 


Spidey sense are up, but what I would like to hear is how does one tell a sponsored girl from an middle to upper class pinay...primarily since I have never run into an upper one that would even look twice at me HAHAHAH


How does one tell (beyond investing alot of time) if this a sponsored girl vs an upper class pinay? I have never experienced a family being this "rich" in philippines so I am a bit lost LOL.  Thanks


So I met this 20 year old on FB and she has all the makings of a unicorn.  beautiful, smart, amazing english and best of all she wants to meet up on my next trip.  Yeah she is not "different" but I have been completely blown away with little that I know right now. LOL  So I wanted to ask the experts here what you would think if you met someone like this BUT she also has these other red flags errrrr I mean charms:

-went to flight school and is a student pilot

-went to chef college but had to stop

-dated primarily middle eastern men before

-family seems to make alot of money (remodeling house, etc)

-takes vacations to bohol

-stays in expensive hotels (in philippine terms)

 

She wants to meet up for dinner, which I agreed but is now talking about wanting to stay with me for the time I have there.  Now I did not meet her in bar, only online. There is no evidence of FL or other sponsors that I can tell. She is of course saying all the normal things pinay says, such as love you and cant wait to be with you etc.

 

Are these signs that she might be upper class of Philippines, or just playing a long game?  I cant seem to figure this one out. I have seen her parents house and it looks almost western style.  I was floored by never really encountering a RICH family there.

 


Spidey sense are up, but what I would like to hear is how does one tell a sponsored girl from an middle to upper class pinay...primarily since I have never run into an upper one that would even look twice at me HAHAHAH


How does one tell (beyond investing alot of time) if this a sponsored girl vs an upper class pinay? I have never experienced a family being this "rich" in philippines so I am a bit lost LOL.  Thanks

 

So the question is how to tell the difference between a sponsored pinay and a middle to upper class one?




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Posted 12 May 2018 - 07:09 PM

Sounds like the family is remodeling their house, from the money their daughter makes, going on trips to Bohol, and staying in expensive hotels, with middle eastern "boyfriends."

Or maybe this girl is different?

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Posted 12 May 2018 - 07:14 PM

Not different, but I use every experience as a learning....call it Philippines Training 101 LOL.  Has anyone ever been able to really be with an mid to upper class lady?  I mean she wear designer clothes, iPhone, staying Php 4,800 and night hotels, 4 day vacation to bohol but on the other side, she went to flight school, chef school etc (seen pics).  This one has me confffuuuuuussseeed hahahah


AND DOES NOT WORK!!


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Posted 12 May 2018 - 07:32 PM

So does her Facebook page show her at any small airport? Flying any type of plane?
What about chef school pictures?
Is she friends with her family on Facebook? Middle East people?
Do some reverse image searches based upon her Facebook page.

Be sceptical of anything that sounds too good to be true.
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Posted 12 May 2018 - 07:46 PM

She is sponsored. Upper Class girls don't go with us.
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Posted 12 May 2018 - 08:42 PM

Play along until the money requests start. Nobody can say for sure her actual situation only guess same as you.

Maybe she is hoping that by the time the money requests start that you are hopelessly cunt struck. If you aren't and can say "sry babe but you need a richer man than I am" and walk away. Is the best thing to be able to do.

A question.... Has she been able to guess from your interactions and from her observations that you are a wealthy man?

As always the cardinal rule is always have plenty of backups. Don't ever plan a trip which depends for success on any particular girl. If not her the silver lining will be you have several others, a phone call away from meeting, that you also wouldn't mind getting it on with.

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Posted 12 May 2018 - 09:08 PM

I smell BS to be honest.

 

Why would the upper class chick want to spend time with a guy she only know online?  She surely has plenty of opportunity to meet young/old rich studs who are local or foreigner.  Why risk anything on someone who could be lying to her?  Not saying you are but you know what I mean.

 

I fully agree with don-lee's advice and comments.

 

Good luck!


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Posted 12 May 2018 - 09:16 PM

You have to assume most or all of what she says are lies unless there is some evidence to back it up, this might be photographic or otherwise.
It's easy to provide photos of planes, houses and hotels my guess would be the only ones she appears in are hotels and hotel swimming pools.
Went to flight school, yeah possible more likely fabrication, parents remodeling house, whose house lol.
If she's an middle to upper class pinay she would be with a young man her own age not (apperently) drooling over a monger the only pinay that do that are lower class or poor ones, to get out of poverty.
By all means consider meeting her, just be careful, don't take everything at face value and background check if you can (maybe follow the trail of her FB friends).
If you find different to what she's telling you, don't crush her with the truth she might still be a great lady to meet.
If you've found a unicorn good luck.
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Posted 12 May 2018 - 10:15 PM

As was suggested, play along and see if any requests for money come because if she is from a well off family, she won't ask you for any money.    A 20 year old will have tons of FB friends but often have several accounts.  So if she has more than one account, find the account with lots of recent activity.  I have a lot of P4P friends on FB and when they post pics of themselves in nice hotels or on vacation there is NEVER a boyfriend or family members in the photos.  If the photos in nice hotels are just her alone or with other young girls, my guess is that she is P4P.   I have several girls who will come stay with me but our pics never show up on their FB pages.  Part of the game is playing like the guy she is with is the only one so posted pics of her being all loving with another man messes up her game.  The sure fire way to tell is to meet her, let her stay with you for as long as you feel is acceptable, show her a good time, take tons of pics of the two of you together, tell her that you really like her and want to be in a serious relationship with her.  If she goes along and agrees to be your girl but NONE of the photos of the two of you show up on her FB page then you have your answer, you're one of many guys she is messing with.   


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Posted 13 May 2018 - 12:52 AM

Double post oops lol :)

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Posted 13 May 2018 - 04:08 AM

As was suggested, play along and see if any requests for money come because if she is from a well off family, she won't ask you for any money.    A 20 year old will have tons of FB friends but often have several accounts.  So if she has more than one account, find the account with lots of recent activity.  I have a lot of P4P friends on FB and when they post pics of themselves in nice hotels or on vacation there is NEVER a boyfriend or family members in the photos.  If the photos in nice hotels are just her alone or with other young girls, my guess is that she is P4P.   I have several girls who will come stay with me but our pics never show up on their FB pages.  Part of the game is playing like the guy she is with is the only one so posted pics of her being all loving with another man messes up her game.  The sure fire way to tell is to meet her, let her stay with you for as long as you feel is acceptable, show her a good time, take tons of pics of the two of you together, tell her that you really like her and want to be in a serious relationship with her.  If she goes along and agrees to be your girl but NONE of the photos of the two of you show up on her FB page then you have your answer, you're one of many guys she is messing with.   

 

Dude....this is so right on the money!  I only ever been serious about 2 filipino chicks ( well maybe 3)...2 of them ended up married one to a canadian and another to an american....but that is a story for another day.  The other one ended up returning to work at a bar in angeles and still there...saw her this past april.

 

Anyways...with the 2 that got married...we (at different times ) went on trips...one to Palaway the other to 1000 islands...lots of pics...none of the ones when we were together ended up in FB.  Did not know what the deal was but did not think much of it.  Well...they were playing with 2 of us at the same time...and I guess I got lucky and they did not ended up marrying me.  One is happy with kids in Texas...the other sounds like it is not going to last long in Toronto...and the one in the bar is still barfiniing at Soya bar.

 

Anyways...the comment on the FB photos is spot on!


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Posted 13 May 2018 - 04:16 AM

Shes sponsored.

No way a girl of that status will ever waste her time on a monger/stranger unless she really finds you attractive and challenging, someone she can learn a lot from. That is if shes truly upper middle class.

If shes really what she is portraying and also lovey dovey with a stranger, she could be a black sheep or the rebel of the family and seeks attention from a willing guy regardless of age or looks as long as she is getting what she needs: time and attention.

Upper middle ladies (even if pinay) are usually suspicious of strangers. Upper class (even if pinay) ones dont care if they dont know you. Auto Ignore mode.

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Posted 13 May 2018 - 06:31 AM

thank you all for the GREAT ADVICE!!  So to take this one step further, I have pics of her in pilot suit, in pilot classes (it appears) and even in cockpit of flying plane. Second, I have pics of her in Chef school.   But the suspicion started when she went to Bohol and "broke" her phone.  She was using her cousins phone to talk to me but when she left, she stayed at a hotel in Cebu.  Normally, not a big deal but this hotel was expensive. Plus the hours she is awake is all through her night (same as my working hours in states).  I know she is young, but damn those hours would kill me after a while.  She has been talking to me about a situation (not too much detail) where someone she sent a text too is trying to use that text against her (public humiliation).  IDK.  This pinay has me all intrigued in to identify wth is going on with her.  I know I will never truly know, but my senses are telling me she is sponsored.

PS, I have seen pics of her parents house which she lives. With her mom and dad, and even the architect and plans on the house remodeling....sooo confusing in the world of staying prepare and on my toes LOL.

 

I have learned on here that higher class pinays dont even pay attention to us "old" farts, so that is why I am twisted with this.  I do plan on meeting her in July but Im actually kinda creeped out about it because all things are not as they seem in Philippines.  I dont want to end up face down in alley or bubba's girlfriend in jail LOL


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Posted 13 May 2018 - 08:22 AM

Reason for pictures of flight suit etc
One of her Arab customers was learning to fly or had a pilots license and went for a flight and took her with him
Reason for house remodel is the cash the daughter makes from fucking about with foreigners or has snagged a rich idiot
It’s simple really ...just read between the lines
All my Thai hooker friends seem to be on Facebook until the crack of dawn ...non hooker Thai friends are not !!!!
Broken telephone....don’t make me laugh she was getting humped silly in Bohol by some foreign bloke
As for her situation (public humiliation) ..don’t get dragged into there soap opera life’s ....
Fuck her on your trip
Don’t promise her nothing
And just go with the flow and at the first sign of trouble
Just walk off and get a new one ....
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Posted 13 May 2018 - 08:28 AM

Lol..
Seems your forgetting 101..

Unless your looking for long term yourself. Your going on a holiday so enjoy what a 20+ has to offer.

Your smart enough you are in here asking and not living in a box and thinking you are smarter then others and can handle it (How many of these do we see..??).

As to the middle class thing..I beg to differ. Living in Asia I came across many (maybe a tad bit older then 20) that where willing to hang out with middle aged expats. Some where for play before they settled down a few others where looking for that romance.

If your only going to be a 2 week warrior..enjoy..and don't do that hand in to the pocket too deep..

I had a similar story today from one I am meeting in June.. just broke her phone and using dad's.. lol, I just laughed her off and told her that's the end of her world.. no phone no social contact..your screwed.. better get (in her case gf) to buy a new one for her.. I just sprung for a air ticket for her to come to Cebu so we can hunt together so she knew she wasn't going to get a bite from me..

Good luck with the flyer..and don't lose your balls.. well lose them deep in her..but ya know what I am saying..
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Posted 13 May 2018 - 08:42 AM

As far as flying goes as another poster observed she's just absorbing the hobby of one of her professional boyfriends. All girlfriends do this, they all get dragged along to whatever that boyfriend is doing at the time, in the case of pinas it becomes "selfie time" and "dressing up".
Doesn't prove shit, look a their FB claims re where they live and work, total fabrication.
One girl I took to Cebu didn't think it was exotic enough so she told her friends we went to Thailand lol.
Lying becomes everyday in the phils, it ceases to bother you or surprise you and I'm no longer upset or bothered by it, you end up accepting you'll never really know the truth and honestly ? Who cares ?
They're not relationships, they're fuck buddies.

There is an outside chance this girl is who she says she is but it's remote and there will undoubtedly be another story behind it.

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Posted 13 May 2018 - 12:11 PM

I am going to go with 'play along' but take it one step further.

 

Stop caring about it.

 

Enjoy her company.  If she's a pilot chef astronaut, great but what matters is if you enjoy her company.

 

If she's a hooker who's good at Photoshop, great, enjoy her company.

 

If she never asks for money, enjoy her company until it's not enjoyable anymore.

 

If she asked for money, then decide if you are going to give it to her.  But even if you would never do so, you can enjoy her company until she does.

 

Unless you are investing in her, in some way, trying to guess whether she's for real or not...trying to listen to warnings from the paranoid or reassurances from the blissfully ignorant...will only twist your head and lead you to make bad decisions.

 

Live in the moment and stop worrying about it.  Hell, stop talking about it.  Just enjoy it until it's not enjoyable.


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Posted 13 May 2018 - 02:10 PM

I am going to go with 'play along' but take it one step further.

Stop caring about it.

Enjoy her company. If she's a pilot chef astronaut, great but what matters is if you enjoy her company.

If she's a hooker who's good at Photoshop, great, enjoy her company.

If she never asks for money, enjoy her company until it's not enjoyable anymore.

If she asked for money, then decide if you are going to give it to her. But even if you would never do so, you can enjoy her company until she does.

Unless you are investing in her, in some way, trying to guess whether she's for real or not...trying to listen to warnings from the paranoid or reassurances from the blissfully ignorant...will only twist your head and lead you to make bad decisions.

Live in the moment and stop worrying about it. Hell, stop talking about it. Just enjoy it until it's not enjoyable.


Very good advice :)
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Posted 13 May 2018 - 03:24 PM

Agreed. I will take it with a grain of salt and just enjoy the exercise hahah.  But maybe for those that are looking for a long term relationship, it is a valid question when and if they run upon a middle upper class.  Hard to tell the difference unless you are there.  AWESOME advice and thank you all for putting me back in the FFF camp!!!  


Lol..
Seems your forgetting 101..

Unless your looking for long term yourself. Your going on a holiday so enjoy what a 20+ has to offer.

Your smart enough you are in here asking and not living in a box and thinking you are smarter then others and can handle it (How many of these do we see..??).

As to the middle class thing..I beg to differ. Living in Asia I came across many (maybe a tad bit older then 20) that where willing to hang out with middle aged expats. Some where for play before they settled down a few others where looking for that romance.

If your only going to be a 2 week warrior..enjoy..and don't do that hand in to the pocket too deep..

I had a similar story today from one I am meeting in June.. just broke her phone and using dad's.. lol, I just laughed her off and told her that's the end of her world.. no phone no social contact..your screwed.. better get (in her case gf) to buy a new one for her.. I just sprung for a air ticket for her to come to Cebu so we can hunt together so she knew she wasn't going to get a bite from me..

Good luck with the flyer..and don't lose your balls.. well lose them deep in her..but ya know what I am saying..

I didn't mean to generalize on the "old:" farts and middle class, I was half kidding using their perspective.  But points well taken. This one was odd because she found me vs me hooking up with her.  On fb no less, so she threw a curve ball and it hit me in the head LOL.  Funny, this girl IS in Cebu. I did find her parents pages and if pictures are real, they are not what I view middle class....so yeah, balls deep with her but  wallet stays at home HAHAH 


I am going to go with 'play along' but take it one step further.

 

Stop caring about it.

 

Enjoy her company.  If she's a pilot chef astronaut, great but what matters is if you enjoy her company.

 

If she's a hooker who's good at Photoshop, great, enjoy her company.

 

If she never asks for money, enjoy her company until it's not enjoyable anymore.

 

If she asked for money, then decide if you are going to give it to her.  But even if you would never do so, you can enjoy her company until she does.

 

Unless you are investing in her, in some way, trying to guess whether she's for real or not...trying to listen to warnings from the paranoid or reassurances from the blissfully ignorant...will only twist your head and lead you to make bad decisions.

 

Live in the moment and stop worrying about it.  Hell, stop talking about it.  Just enjoy it until it's not enjoyable.

FFF thanks for getting me back into the i dont care mindset.  The shit of wondering  is so time consuming and so not worth it.



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Posted 13 May 2018 - 04:04 PM

Enjoy the fantasy she has created for you
Troll the troll.

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Posted 13 May 2018 - 04:31 PM

Once you stop caring about knowing the truth in any given situation chasing Filipinas becomes more fun and less stressful, which is as it should be.
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Posted 13 May 2018 - 07:42 PM

Thinking about what I could post on FB if I just wanted to impress.

Boat show just a few miles away that has a variety of fancy boats and open access to them for the public. I could put on a captains hat and have a pic taken of me at the wheel of a 5 million dollar yacht.

Go to a dealership or event that has fancy cars. Have a pic taken standing next to a Lamborgini and say it is my fun car.

Get some kind of scholarly robe and take a pic by the courthouse or at a university and claim I was a judge, lawyer or professor.

Stand next to a million dollar mansion for sale and in a pose or with props that make it believable when I claim I own it.

You get the picture. Don't fall in love with or be impressed by photos. Chat on cam...chat on cam... chat on cam.
If she won't then maybe she finds it easier and more fun to multi-post her assembled fakery than actually spend time with you.

By your observation she keeps the hours of a professional scammer or maybe a guy in USA.

Lost her phone? "Damn it I am so sry honey!, well contact me for sure next time you are able to. Bye for now, care for u meuuuwa" Then next move is hers.

If she comes back with more problems. Then that is not mush fun for you is it? So its, "Honey you seem to be in a bad time there, maybe I will let you focus on fixing your problems. But for sure contact me again before I go there, so I can see you when I arrive. Bye for now good luck."

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Posted 14 May 2018 - 01:09 AM

don_lee

 

I like the way these girls "LOSE THEIR PHONE", but next time they text, it is from the original number, so they lost the phone, but managed to keep the Sim.


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Posted 14 May 2018 - 02:16 AM

don_lee

 

I like the way these girls "LOSE THEIR PHONE", but next time they text, it is from the original number, so they lost the phone, but managed to keep the Sim.

 

don't you know that they are magicians mate :) 


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Posted 16 May 2018 - 10:45 AM

Just curious. ..
Where are the pictures? :)

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