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@  ₱20 Bill : (25 May 2018 - 02:01 PM)

@bill44ca @kantutero Idk, re Subic... You're right it's not a 24x7 smorgasbord, but it has a mellow sweetness that is not without a special charm for me. I haven't been in a year, maybe because I was seeking the former, but I'd still like to go back to BB again.

@  bill44ca : (25 May 2018 - 01:08 PM)

that was the quote of the month

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@ kantutero : (23 May 2018 - 12:23 PM)
If you want a large variety of girls, AC; if you want to get the leftovers from a local crew of expats that grab any new talent at the handful of dumpy bars they have in BB, then you'll love Subic (and be hailed as a conquering hero on the other board LOL)

@  Kadachiman : (25 May 2018 - 12:33 PM)

just watched?

@  samthedog : (25 May 2018 - 10:40 AM)

billiard rule that's meant to say

@  samthedog : (25 May 2018 - 10:40 AM)

watched a great big guy really shouting and intimidating a a very small girl in twenty tenty bar baretto last night because she had a different rule to him. she was well pissed and he scared her shitless. bet he feels more like a man now

@  Gago Mike : (24 May 2018 - 08:06 PM)

The new Solo movie is on Terrarium for all u Star Wars people

@  Red Horse : (24 May 2018 - 01:48 PM)

I don’t think the wife & daughter are too high on the mongering trips (to be frank) but I think this one I’m broadcasting. Exactly what is the harm if I buy some upland catfish farm in Thailand? What’s the sense of getting bogged down in one area?

@  Red Horse : (24 May 2018 - 01:42 PM)

Just a trip to BKK/Patts & MNL/AC. Could say I’m visiting ex-military friends. I’m not but on Phils side, I could just say wonder why so many soldiers & sailers retire I’m PI?

@  Red Horse : (24 May 2018 - 01:38 PM)

OMG! Just got the best idea for a huge worldwide windup/advanced 1st tier level trolling on Twitter & Facebook...trip in Asia to al the most sordid places but Gee, I hope I don’t run into the wrong sorts of people!

@  Red Horse : (24 May 2018 - 01:15 PM)

Simple Q. Might be worth a thread. A guy wants or needs to buy some land. Thai or Phils? Willing to shack up/get married. Fish farm, carabao, rice, pineapples,whatever. Where is best?

@  bill44ca : (24 May 2018 - 01:46 AM)

@Kant Handful of Dumpy Bars is funny, perhaps Tee Shirts with that above Subic Pic LOL

@  grahamuk : (23 May 2018 - 10:05 PM)

When she's down to one a day ?

@  JPDIII : (23 May 2018 - 06:23 PM)

After how many men being serviced is a girl labeled a "leftover". I don't go to AC looking for a cherry girl !

@  kantutero : (23 May 2018 - 05:23 PM)

If you want a large variety of girls, AC; if you want to get the leftovers from a local crew of expats that grab any new talent at the handful of dumpy bars they have in BB, then you'll love Subic (and be hailed as a conquering hero on the other board LOL)

@  bkk7 : (23 May 2018 - 08:27 AM)

i'm guessing then Manila/QC/Makati isn't worth it at all? BKK to PP tonight then 2 more days. can't wait!

@  stew : (23 May 2018 - 08:03 AM)

Subic retirement home for mongers

@  bill44ca : (23 May 2018 - 07:08 AM)

I agree AC hands down over Subic. If you had a couple months in AC or even a month then you might want 2 nights in Subic

@  bkk7 : (23 May 2018 - 05:57 AM)

thanks for the advice! trying to PM someone bc i just bought the discount card but am forbidden from viewing profiles or PMing

@  Kadachiman : (23 May 2018 - 05:56 AM)

you can read some trip reports on here about AC vs Subic vs other places.....and I think you will conclude that AC is the perfect destination for a 5 day trip



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#1 OFFLINE   Jeffdavidpeters

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Posted 07 May 2018 - 08:23 AM

Hi, so what is sponsorship ? I've heard it mentioned on here a few times, what are the pros and cons.
It seems that some men send girls money, just to fuck them when they're in the country, how does that work ? How do they know she's living up to the bargain.
Isn't it easier just to find a new girl each trip, don't they get bored with the same girl ?
I admit I know nothing about the bargirl scene but hope to educate myself before my first proper trip in September.
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Posted 07 May 2018 - 11:58 AM

Sponsorship is a process in which a cute young thing promises her undying love and devotion to you and 8 or 10 others in return for the contents of your wallet.  Her commitment will increase if you will please increase the amount you send her because she has so many difficulties in life, such as her Filipino bf wants more money, or there is no reason why her family should have to work if you, and others, are happy to support them.  It has become THE family business in the Philippines of seeking out the gullible worldwide and extracting their cash, passed down generation to generation.  It guarantees you nothing including your place in line.

 

Your safest bet is to practice quid pro quo with your safe sex.  Sponsor her 1 night at a time when you get here.  Let the other suckers send her cash, she'll still meet with you if you're here and have cash in hand.


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Posted 07 May 2018 - 12:09 PM

Jeff,

From what I know about sponsorship - mostly from reading these forums - it’s like keeping a girl on retainer for when you’re away. The theory is that girls won’t allow themselves to be barfined if someone is giving them a monthly allowance to not have sex with other people.

In practice, there are a handful of BMs who had positive experiences with this arrangement. However, the vast majority have negative experiences because of the concerns you posted - namely, there’s no way to ensure she’s keeping her end of the bargain and it’s easy to find a new girl each trip

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Posted 07 May 2018 - 12:24 PM

Sponsorship is a process in which a cute young thing promises her undying love and devotion to you and 8 or 10 others in return for the contents of your wallet.  Her commitment will increase if you will please increase the amount you send her because she has so many difficulties in life, such as her Filipino bf wants more money, or there is no reason why her family should have to work if you, and others, are happy to support them.  It has become THE family business in the Philippines of seeking out the gullible worldwide and extracting their cash, passed down generation to generation.  It guarantees you nothing including your place in line.

 

Your safest bet is to practice quid pro quo with your safe sex.  Sponsor her 1 night at a time when you get here.  Let the other suckers send her cash, she'll still meet with you if you're here and have cash in hand.

Amen

 

Guy in the bar Sunday  saying he sent money for 5 months to a girl he was chatting with, and now he's here she's not turned up


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Posted 07 May 2018 - 12:32 PM

Isn't it easier just to find a new girl each trip, don't they get bored with the same girl ?
 

 

JeffDP gave the answer himself.  It is a waste of money to send any sponsorship while you can get a lot more every trip you make for less money.

Don't sponsor when you are not around would be my advice.



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Posted 07 May 2018 - 01:19 PM

Amen

 

Guy in the bar Sunday  saying he sent money for 5 months to a girl he was chatting with, and now he's here she's not turned up

That's pretty common.  Guess we all have gone through or are going through the learning curve.  Fool me once, shame on you, fool me twice, shame on me.


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Posted 07 May 2018 - 01:59 PM

Pro: fills a void when you're back home and lonely because you want to have some kind of female companionship.

 

Cons: it costs you money.  Money that most often does not "buy" what you think you are buying.


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Posted 07 May 2018 - 02:26 PM

It's a fools game.  Just another dynamic of Pay-4-Play.  You pay...........she plays you.



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Posted 07 May 2018 - 02:51 PM

Hi, so what is sponsorship ? I've heard it mentioned on here a few times, what are the pros and cons.
It seems that some men send girls money, just to fuck them when they're in the country, how does that work ? How do they know she's living up to the bargain.
Isn't it easier just to find a new girl each trip, don't they get bored with the same girl ?
I admit I know nothing about the bargirl scene but hope to educate myself before my first proper trip in September.

 

There are different reasons guys sponsor girls.

Some of them:

1. Because he thinks he can keep her from fucking others guys.  This is often unsuccessful but then, it's mostly for ego reasons, so as long as he doesn't find out, it works out the same.

2. Because he likes getting all the love in messages and emails and video chats and what not.  I think this is more important than the sex for many guys.  Probably most guys fit in this category.

3. Because the money doesn't mean shit to him and he can expect her to be at his beck and call when he comes into town.

4. Because he wants to feel charitable.  Some guys I know sponsor girls they aren't even fucking, just to send them to school or what not.

5. Because he wants to be her boyfriend but isn't living here yet.  He assumes she will move in and be his full time GF when he comes.  Or vice versa, he is sponsoring her just until she can get a visa to go to his country.

6. Because she offers some sort of extra service.  Finding him girls, arranging 3-somes, etc.

7. Because he got scammed.  Like he thinks her baby is his.

8. Because he has never been here and his other options where he is are terrible.  Probably combines with #2, above.  And maybe even #5.


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Posted 07 May 2018 - 03:57 PM

Sponsorship is when you send money to a girl you are not currently sexing (but you can be sure someone else is).  In simpler terms - a waste of money.


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Posted 07 May 2018 - 10:40 PM

Sponsorship is when you send money to a girl you are not currently sexing (but you can be sure someone else is).  In simpler terms - a waste of money.

 

in the idea that it keeps her legs closed until you're in town ya, it's a waste of money.

 

although there are some girls who have enough suckers/barfines to be wasteful with their money, most are shouldering the load for their family or have a baby so the money is not being wasted per say.

 

it's just not buying what you hope its buying.



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Posted 08 May 2018 - 12:13 AM

in the idea that it keeps her legs closed until you're in town ya, it's a waste of money.
 
although there are some girls who have enough suckers/barfines to be wasteful with their money, most are shouldering the load for their family or have a baby so the money is not being wasted per say.
 
it's just not buying what you hope its buying.

Well I hope my sponsorship is buying what I hope for. Am expecting to be disappointed eventually but so far the last 8 months has been a fantastic ride. Worth every penny.

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Posted 08 May 2018 - 12:52 AM

Its about as useful as the acclaimed “permanent barfine” if it makes you feel good-


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Posted 08 May 2018 - 01:00 AM

Situations in which some limited sponsorship may be warranted are. You have been with a girl for a period of time in the Philippines. During those days or weeks, she was an excellent companion who cared for you well and took care of your needs. Then you may want to reward her by sending some money between trips. Knowing she is desperately poor like most are in Philippines, and with the hope she will provide you with the same excellent service on the next trip.

 

You would prefer a girl as a long time companion or wife. During the months you have been communicating with her online she has expressed the same desire concerning you. Also she has been available 24/7 and has given you access to all her passwords and accounts and communicated with you honestly about her life even concerning her past mistakes and transgressions. Thus backing up her words as to the seriousness of her intent concerning you.

 

In short if she has fulfilled needs you have to the best of her ability. Then you may want to consider fulfilling her needs to the best of your ability. For a guy of modest means, this would be extra money that in no way compromises your ability to maintain your preferred lifestyle. A very little goes along ways in the Philippines which must be understood or she will get the wrong idea about your financial circumstances.

 

For guys with money to burn you can send more. But it will be at the risk of her having lofty expectations for the future. Or at risk of her becoming the focus of jealousy and persistent monetary demands in her own community. Or at risk of her starting to think of you as a gullible fool. Knowing that most can't love someone they see as a gullible fool.

 

Someone who usually gives something to charity, may want to send the same amount to individuals in the Philippines instead. Knowing that direct payment to an individual is more likely to go directly to those in need. As opposed to giving to a charitable organization. Where only a small fraction goes to those in dire need. The majority going instead to administrative expenses and to further fundraising efforts. 

 

So if you are grateful for having the luck to be born in a prosperous country and therefore feel a need to contribute at least a small amount to those not as fortunate as you. Then sending money to a girl with a verifiable need may be better than sending to an organization regardless if you get anything from the transaction other than the satisfaction of helping others.

 

There is never a good reason to send a bargirl money. Her time with you was just a routine professional service that she is willing to do with anyone with money. As that is her profession and skillset.   She will be available during normal work hours when you are there next time. Also she already makes way more than the average worker in Philippines so she is not in as dire need as most are.  Also as a man of self respect you would never marry or have a long term relationship with a woman who sells her body to anyone with money as her profession in life. Knowing that once all morals are abandoned she could never be trusted.


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Posted 08 May 2018 - 01:09 AM

Situations in which some limited sponsorship may be warranted are. You have been with a girl for a period of time in the Philippines. During those days or weeks, she was an excellent companion who cared for you well and took care of your needs. Then you may want to reward her by sending some money between trips. Knowing she is desperately poor like most are in Philippines, and with the hope she will provide you with the same excellent service on the next trip.

 

You would prefer a girl as a long time companion or wife. During the months you have been communicating with her online she has expressed the same desire concerning you. Also she has been available 24/7 and has given you access to all her passwords and accounts and communicated with you honestly about her life even concerning her past mistakes and transgressions. Thus backing up her words as to the seriousness of her intent concerning you.

 

In short if she has fulfilled needs you have to the best of her ability. Then you may want to consider fulfilling her needs to the best of your ability. For a guy of modest means, this would be extra money that in no way compromises your ability to maintain your preferred lifestyle. A very little goes along ways in the Philippines which must be understood or she will get the wrong idea about your financial circumstances.

 

For guys with money to burn you can send more. But it will be at the risk of her having lofty expectations for the future. Or at risk of her becoming the focus of jealousy and persistent monetary demands in her own community. Or at risk of her starting to think of you as a gullible fool. Knowing that most can't love someone they see as a gullible fool.

 

Someone who usually gives something to charity, may want to send the same amount to individuals in the Philippines instead. Knowing that direct payment to an individual is more likely to go directly to those in need. As opposed to giving to a charitable organization. Where only a small fraction goes to those in dire need. The majority going instead to administrative expenses and to further fundraising efforts. 

 

So if you are grateful for having the luck to be born in a prosperous country and therefore feel a need to contribute at least a small amount to those not as fortunate as you. Then sending money to a girl with a verifiable need may be better than sending to an organization regardless if you get anything from the transaction other than the satisfaction of helping others.

 

There is never a good reason to send a bargirl money. Her time with you was just a routine professional service that she is willing to do with anyone with money. As that is her profession and skillset. Since that is her profession.  She will be available during normal work hours when you are there next time. Also she already makes way more than the average worker in Philippines so she is not in as dire need as most are.  

 

Don

 

   In the 20+ I have been going to PI, this is probably one of the most thoughtful, well writing advice pieces I have had the pleasure to read. Admins should put it in the archive for all to see in the future.


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Posted 08 May 2018 - 01:26 AM

Thank you Voxman that is quite the tribute. My goal always is to help guys find the same happiness as I have with my Filipina. And to keep them from being hurt because of their vulnerability. Women where we are from have let most of us down. Filipinas have what it takes to make up for that disappointment and make our lives so much better.



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Posted 08 May 2018 - 01:53 AM

Situations in which some limited sponsorship may be warranted are. You have been with a girl for a period of time in the Philippines. During those days or weeks, she was an excellent companion who cared for you well and took care of your needs. Then you may want to reward her by sending some money between trips. Knowing she is desperately poor like most are in Philippines, and with the hope she will provide you with the same excellent service on the next trip.

 

You would prefer a girl as a long time companion or wife. During the months you have been communicating with her online she has expressed the same desire concerning you. Also she has been available 24/7 and has given you access to all her passwords and accounts and communicated with you honestly about her life even concerning her past mistakes and transgressions. Thus backing up her words as to the seriousness of her intent concerning you.

 

In short if she has fulfilled needs you have to the best of her ability. Then you may want to consider fulfilling her needs to the best of your ability. For a guy of modest means, this would be extra money that in no way compromises your ability to maintain your preferred lifestyle. A very little goes along ways in the Philippines which must be understood or she will get the wrong idea about your financial circumstances.

 

For guys with money to burn you can send more. But it will be at the risk of her having lofty expectations for the future. Or at risk of her becoming the focus of jealousy and persistent monetary demands in her own community. Or at risk of her starting to think of you as a gullible fool. Knowing that most can't love someone they see as a gullible fool.

 

Someone who usually gives something to charity, may want to send the same amount to individuals in the Philippines instead. Knowing that direct payment to an individual is more likely to go directly to those in need. As opposed to giving to a charitable organization. Where only a small fraction goes to those in dire need. The majority going instead to administrative expenses and to further fundraising efforts. 

 

So if you are grateful for having the luck to be born in a prosperous country and therefore feel a need to contribute at least a small amount to those not as fortunate as you. Then sending money to a girl with a verifiable need may be better than sending to an organization regardless if you get anything from the transaction other than the satisfaction of helping others.

 

There is never a good reason to send a bargirl money. Her time with you was just a routine professional service that she is willing to do with anyone with money. As that is her profession and skillset.   She will be available during normal work hours when you are there next time. Also she already makes way more than the average worker in Philippines so she is not in as dire need as most are.  Also as a man of self respect you would never marry or have a long term relationship with a woman who sells her body to anyone with money as her profession in life. Knowing that once all morals are abandoned she could never be trusted.

 

don-lee.....

 

Great insights about sponsorship.  But, you lose me here with the edit about a man of self respect.


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Posted 08 May 2018 - 01:56 AM

Voxman, I agree.  Most don-lee's explanation should be "must" reading for all newbies. 

 

Perhaps the moderators can start a locked Advice forum that that only they can add to and pull some of these gems out for newbies to read.  Would limit a lot of the unnecessary questions and board traffic.  Even better if some way to force newbies to read before they can post.  


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Posted 08 May 2018 - 04:13 AM

Thank you Voxman that is quite the tribute. My goal always is to help guys find the same happiness as I have with my Filipina. And to keep them from being hurt because of their vulnerability. Women where we are from have let most of us down. Filipinas have what it takes to make up for that disappointment and make our lives so much better.

 

 Me too was deeply hurt by the first pinay wife.....but the second...has been a real keeper for the last ten years. And yes, I met her in AC.



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Posted 08 May 2018 - 04:44 AM

Whenever I get the urge to sponsor, I just head down to a local asian massage parlor and waste my money there.  With a happy ending, you clear your head and even get some benefit from the money spent.  Plus, I didnt have to fly 20 hours LOL.  As a newb before (and still since I learn something new each day), I did the sponsorship thing to the point where I drop a good 60-80k peso over a 6 month span thinking I was reserving her until I returned.  That is, until I took a SURPRISE trip and found her other sponsor balls deep in her.  Cured me of that illness HAHAHA


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Posted 08 May 2018 - 04:50 AM

don-lee.....

 

Great insights about sponsorship.  But, you lose me here with the edit about a man of self respect.

 

I don't have a lot of experience with bargirl's. Only spent about 6 hrs in AC. That was enough for me. Didn't like it and felt ashamed for the girls and they seemed to sense that. Only visited girly bars a few times elsewhere in Philippines generally  when on a drunk. There may be the bargirl exception that turns out to be fun faithful and hard working.

 

Try to explain what I meant through an analogy. In my wandering days I picked apples for a few weeks one year for money.

 

  If you were hungry for an apple and wanted a good one, would you look on the ground around the tree for one to eat or would you look for one less likely to be dirty and rotten on the branches within reach?  On the ground might ne easier to get an apple but likely most will be rotten.  Therefore its best to look for a good one on the tree where they are clean and fresh and not in contact with the dirt and things that make it rotten. Although there might be the rare one on the ground that when cleaned up turns out to be perfect. However why waste time searching through the rotten ones, just because its easiest?

 

The good news is that although in the US for example most good apples are out of reach high in the tree. In Philippines most good ones are easily in reach.

 

Don't want to sound too high and mighty. But I think most guys have enough feelings of self worth. That they don't need to pick a wife from the small % of women in the Philippines that are certified prostitutes.

 

Even if she turns out to be good. Her family is likely to be rotten for pushing her to prostitute herself for money. No matter how poor and desperate people are in Philippines. They would never stoop so low as to do that.

 

Washing clothes for a few pesos a week or even sifting through trash heaps to make a few pesos from recyclables found. But never that... to prostitute yourself to strangers.. if they are decent.

 

If you feel that you are so low that all you deserve for a companion  is a prostitute and who is with you soley for money. Then you have let those western women who put you down... beat you.


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Posted 08 May 2018 - 05:15 AM

don-lee.....

 

I won't debate this with you.  By your own admission you're not in a position to do so by stating the following.................

 

"I don't have a lot of experience with bargirl's. Only spent about 6 hrs in AC. That was enough for me. Didn't like it and felt ashamed for the girlsand they seemed to sense that. Only visited girly bars a few times elsewhere in Philippines generally  when on a drunk."


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Posted 08 May 2018 - 05:28 AM

Well I think my position has been considered common sense for all of human history. But for those whose enjoyment in life is focused on the bar and alcohol. Then chose your companions in life from the world that you are most familiar and comfortable with. To each his own. Just don't be surprised when results turn out to be bad. Or seem to be bad from the point of view of those familiar.


Edited by don-lee, 08 May 2018 - 05:29 AM.

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Posted 08 May 2018 - 05:59 AM

don-lee......

 

I'm generally of like mind with what you have to say.  But the "man with self respect" comment and your immediate post above comes off judgmental and condescending.  Keep in mind there are many a man with self respect out there in successful long term and/or married relationships with former bar girls


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Posted 08 May 2018 - 07:03 AM

The OP is a newbie. My message to him would be if you want a good companion for long term. Of course look for it among the 99% of girls who aren't sex workers.  Even though there may be a very small % of girls from the 1% of girls who are bargirl's that would turn out ok.

 

As many as 50% of girls from the 99% may turn out to be good companions for long term. So what would you think best for him? Look for a partner from among the 10% of good girls from the 1% who are bargirls.  Or from the 50% who would be good partners of the 99% of women who aren't bargirl's. What makes more sense to you?  Which has the best chance of success?

 

Of course bar guys look at it different. 90% of the girls they come in contact with are bargirl's. So it makes more sense and takes less effort to look for a partner from that group. A girl who doesn't drink is no fun to them I suppose.

 

But SS I am Glad you found a good one  from the bargirl pool. Please tell us what was it about her that made her a good one for you. How did she stand out from and was different than the other bargirl's?

 

How does she show you that she is a good partner. Can't remember a thread about those matters and I am sure it would be a popular one. Eagerly needed and read by the majority on here who mean the bars whenever they talk Philippines.

 

What things other than sex, which has been heavily talked about,. Make her a good one in your opinion?

 

I do have vast experience with a bargirl. Not in Philippines but in USA. My first wife turned out to be one who loved partying at the bars above all else in life. I tried to keep up with her at first but after a few when we were together she dissolved into a drunken blabber about how bad I was. Which certainly wasn't much fun for me.

 

We met at a beer party so its my fault. Expecting her to turn out to be anything but a drunk. Although she talked a good game about how she would before we were married. Almost ruined my life but after a 3 year battle the judge gave me full custody of our 3 kids.

 

She had a typical fate of a drinker. Fell down steps drunk and damaged her brain for the second time. But this time it landed her in a nursing home at 60 yrs old for the rest of her life.  But she wasn't able to destroy me along her path of destroying herself. Found a girl with no bar experience and am making up in enjoyment the time first wife cost me..... So tell us your story SSS. please to help others.


Edited by don-lee, 08 May 2018 - 07:10 AM.

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