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@  taco lover : (19 November 2017 - 11:30 PM)

I admit to being a low-tech old fart, ignorant of capabilities of modern software, but could someone have figured out Marz' facebook through facial recognition software using a picture either posted by Cuddler on this site or using one posted to his facebook account by friends of his or her relatives?

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Why are we doubting the validity?

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@Hellboy PM sent

@  Hellboy : (19 November 2017 - 08:52 AM)

So what, exactly happened?

@  statusquo : (19 November 2017 - 08:47 AM)

None of us are perfect men, we all have our faults. Unfortunately what drives a person to do such things is pure evil and hatred IMHO. The distortion and mendacity are unbelievable. These things are deep in every sense of the word. We are looking into all possiblities from a technical standpoint. Even with that, the only true evidence lies in a Facebook log file buried deep in their system. Any and all feedback is of course welcomed. PM us as we take this very seriously.

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anything interesting going on in barrio baretto next week. will be there house hunting and general fact finding mission

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What super sleuths? lol

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BJ LeiLua damn your sir,i backed him for $500.Doctor Who you may keep your dollar.

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You snozze you lose lamdawon,,,I heard some guys say DAMN I wish I would have bought that ticket before it went up 100 dollars... 'Nuff Said

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JFK to MNL 880 bucks round trip hmm shall i book it or wait and see if it can be lowered lol

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@Hellboy Secret ;)

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as the saying goes in phils "good to be you po" lol forgive me if i'm wrong lol :)

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@Kantutero , thats one of the many extra options you have been a VIP member , i can add and change my shout and do a lot of extra things that others can not....

@  Hellboy : (16 November 2017 - 05:55 PM)

At least by facebook, if nothing else

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@kantutero, If anyone does know every woman in the philippines, it's probably stealth lol

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I just sent a request via the "report" button in my post to the Moderator...

@  Stealth009 : (16 November 2017 - 05:08 PM)

@Doctor Who , just did and made it more specific who i mean....

@  grahamuk : (16 November 2017 - 03:14 PM)

Some people just can't stop bad-mouthing the locals. Piss off back home and stop exploiting them then, if they're so fkin bad.

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Posted 05 November 2017 - 08:39 PM

Gentleman,

 

Please, this applies to all forums regarding bars and the ladies that work in them. They should be treated with respect. Please do not judge those you most likely know nothing about. It's never been the spirit of this board to demean the Filipino people in any way whatsoever. This is highly frowned upon as we are guests in their country and should respect them as human beings having their own nation. As we say in our rules, if you ain't got something good to say, then please don't say at all. This mainly applies to degrading terms used toward Filipinas and Pinoys alike. 

We are not saying that negative comments are not allowed, we are just saying they are best kept to yourselves when speaking about the Philippines and it's population who have enough hardships to endure without people judging them for the minimal options available to them. 

 

Let's see anybody start with nothing in a country such as the Philippines and do any better than the next Filipino. I would venture to say the outcomes would be pretty much the same. 

 

This has always been the unwritten rule and we try to filter out certain words that are simply racist in nature. Racism has no place here and will get you banned rather quickly. Thanks for your understanding and sorry to state the obvious as most of you understand what is being said here. There are always a few who figure they can sidestep our very basic rules. Please read them here if you haven't already.

 

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Posted 06 November 2017 - 01:44 AM

Kudos!!!.

 

It's amazing how many people (not only on this Board) forget their guests in this wonderful country. I can not imagine they would ever talk to or treat folks at home the way they do here.


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Posted 06 November 2017 - 02:49 AM

I think the tourists are simply surprised by the level of service they received. Some reactive negatively due to only being here a short time, whereas a lot of the expats have learned to put up with crap they would never let slide in the West. I worked in various retail industries in the West, since I was a kid, and if I had done some of the stuff I see here, no way Western customers would have tolerated that.


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Posted 06 November 2017 - 03:20 AM

I think the tourists are simply surprised by the level of service they received. Some reactive negatively due to only being here a short time, whereas a lot of the expats have learned to put up with crap they would never let slide in the West. I worked in various retail industries in the West, since I was a kid, and if I had done some of the stuff I see here, no way Western customers would have tolerated that.


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Just a thought; I also spent much of my adult life working in the West but was fortunate to have a job that let me extensively travel all over the world (when I retired I had over 1 million Star Alliance miles and nearly as many on Sky Team and AAdvantage). Comparing what we're used to in the West and what we receive in places that have different values regarding service, promptness, cleanliness, etc. is, to me, an exercise in futility. In my nearly 30 years of living in the Philippines, I've learned to accept that things are different and also realized that if they were the same as the West (and I've lived in both the United States and Europe) I might as well have stayed 'home'. 

 

Lastly, a short story. In my first weeks in Makati, I was in a queue to have a package gift wrapped at National Bookstore in Landmark. There was one clerk. After 30 minutes, it was my turn. The clerk said "It's my break, sir. I'll be back in 15 minutes." I behaved much like the subject of the OP and raised all sorts of hell. It didn't help, so I'm muttering all sorts of things and a British lady heard my comments and asked how long I've been in the Philippines. I told her I'd lived here a few weeks, but had been coming here since the mid 70s. She said "I've been here 15 years and learned if you want to keep your sanity, limit yourself to 1 'why?' question a day". It works wonders

 

I can not remember the last time I raised my voice, swore or was rude to anyone over here. That does not, of course, apply to some of the more bizzare events involving foreigners.


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Posted 06 November 2017 - 09:11 AM

Just a thought; I also spent much of my adult life working in the West but was fortunate to have a job that let me extensively travel all over the world (when I retired I had over 1 million Star Alliance miles and nearly as many on Sky Team and AAdvantage). Comparing what we're used to in the West and what we receive in places that have different values regarding service, promptness, cleanliness, etc. is, to me, an exercise in futility. In my nearly 30 years of living in the Philippines, I've learned to accept that things are different and also realized that if they were the same as the West (and I've lived in both the United States and Europe) I might as well have stayed 'home'. 

 

Lastly, a short story. In my first weeks in Makati, I was in a queue to have a package gift wrapped at National Bookstore in Landmark. There was one clerk. After 30 minutes, it was my turn. The clerk said "It's my break, sir. I'll be back in 15 minutes." I behaved much like the subject of the OP and raised all sorts of hell. It didn't help, so I'm muttering all sorts of things and a British lady heard my comments and asked how long I've been in the Philippines. I told her I'd lived here a few weeks, but had been coming here since the mid 70s. She said "I've been here 15 years and learned if you want to keep your sanity, limit yourself to 1 'why?' question a day". It works wonders

 

I can not remember the last time I raised my voice, swore or was rude to anyone over here. That does not, of course, apply to some of the more bizzare events involving foreigners.

 

I can completely relate and the "why" comment by the British Lady is probably the simplest way I have heard that said. I must remember to use that one as it's short and sweet but most effective words of wisdom. 

 

A quick story by myself, during the last 10 years of my Father's life in Thailand he began to yell and scream at just about every Thai. This resulted in catastrophic financial loss, increased drinking, undue stress finally ending in his ultimate death. He could have easily lived another 10 years. Life is too short to sweat the small things and we must feel both happy and lucky to have the chance to come to Asia and enjoy ourselves. Bickering over meaningless matters is utter ignorance IMHO and implies other problems a person might have.

 

I have never raised my voice in anger at a local here in Thailand or the Philippines thus I've never had a problem. Showing them conviction along with respect and knowing you mean business then explaining them now is the time to address an issue is the best way IMHO to assert yourself without them losing face and achieving your goal. This should be done privately as well again to avoid the possibility of them losing face. Normally this is only required if you are making an executive decision regarding a business but also works wonders in relationships.

 

Asians react very negatively to people losing their tempers and I've seen the worse things happen to people including death. At the end of the day, you are in their country. Don't ever forget that! This applies anywhere really.


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Posted 06 November 2017 - 10:49 AM

Japan did it, just sayin.

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Posted 06 November 2017 - 01:39 PM

Statusquo and Subic, you are both models of how one should behave, together with nearly every BM I've met personally.  Such a pity so many other BMs are not like that.  And of course if they're shits to the FIlipinos in real life they are likely to be shits to other BMs on this board too. 

 

Personally I only lose control when I'm really tired, but being with my always calm girlfriend usually brings me to my senses before I say anything nasty.  Which I know would be useless anyway. Like when a bus conductor took my bag the other day insisting there was plenty of room on the bus, whereas in fact there were only single seats. But even then when he saw my reaction he persuaded another passenger to move so we could sit together.

 

It really helps to slow down to the local pace of things, then you don't have expectations of anything working like clockwork.  And also to realise that the guy you're talking to can't change the system he's working under. And then sometimes you get very pleasantly surprised at how efficiently things can work, and how helpful officials can be.


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Posted 06 November 2017 - 02:51 PM

Im treated like a King But I treat all my Girls like Princess. 


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Posted 06 November 2017 - 09:30 PM



Just a thought; I also spent much of my adult life working in the West but was fortunate to have a job that let me extensively travel all over the world (when I retired I had over 1 million Star Alliance miles and nearly as many on Sky Team and AAdvantage). Comparing what we're used to in the West and what we receive in places that have different values regarding service, promptness, cleanliness, etc. is, to me, an exercise in futility. In my nearly 30 years of living in the Philippines, I've learned to accept that things are different and also realized that if they were the same as the West (and I've lived in both the United States and Europe) I might as well have stayed 'home'.

Lastly, a short story. In my first weeks in Makati, I was in a queue to have a package gift wrapped at National Bookstore in Landmark. There was one clerk. After 30 minutes, it was my turn. The clerk said "It's my break, sir. I'll be back in 15 minutes." I behaved much like the subject of the OP and raised all sorts of hell. It didn't help, so I'm muttering all sorts of things and a British lady heard my comments and asked how long I've been in the Philippines. I told her I'd lived here a few weeks, but had been coming here since the mid 70s. She said "I've been here 15 years and learned if you want to keep your sanity, limit yourself to 1 'why?' question a day". It works wonders

I can not remember the last time I raised my voice, swore or was rude to anyone over here. That does not, of course, apply to some of the more bizzare events involving foreigners.


You have experience, that's fine, what I was suggesting was sympathy and an understanding of why tourists, with less experience, may react the way they do.

Although I often hear statements along the lines of those above, about slowing down, to their level, sort of. Those statements strike me as condescending. Even the quote I'm replying to contains what seems to be a double standard.

Not that I have ever argued with anyone in public, personally. The only exception is money, and that's at a level tone, but I need the correct change. Have to draw the line at that, when the clerks are short, it's often more of a scam then a mistake anyway.

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Posted 06 November 2017 - 10:49 PM

I've been travelling to the Philippines since 1977 and have been married to a Filipina for 37 years.

 

I have always found that raising your voice in the Philippines is just a great turn off. The Filipinos turn off, turn deaf and simmer with anger if you do.  Rational calm requests are more likely to get best results.

 

As for name calling that is using derogatory names/racist based well that is a quick way to get yourself in a whole lot of hurt.

 

Working girls in bars or freelancers don't need to be called degrading names.  We all know the business they are in and a whole bunch of them do it because of low education and wish to support family.  It is a means to an end.  There are those who are just plainly in the game to make as much as they can using any and every trick/scam in the book.


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Posted 06 November 2017 - 11:29 PM

Statusquo and Subic, you are both models of how one should behave, together with nearly every BM I've met personally.  Such a pity so many other BMs are not like that.  And of course if they're shits to the FIlipinos in real life they are likely to be shits to other BMs on this board too. 

 

Personally I only lose control when I'm really tired, but being with my always calm girlfriend usually brings me to my senses before I say anything nasty.  Which I know would be useless anyway. Like when a bus conductor took my bag the other day insisting there was plenty of room on the bus, whereas in fact there were only single seats. But even then when he saw my reaction he persuaded another passenger to move so we could sit together.

 

It really helps to slow down to the local pace of things, then you don't have expectations of anything working like clockwork.  And also to realise that the guy you're talking to can't change the system he's working under. And then sometimes you get very pleasantly surprised at how efficiently things can work, and how helpful officials can be.

 

Thanks, Cuddler and along the same thought of slowing down, it's best to think a bit more before speaking or reacting. Also, listening a lot more than you might in your home country can be very eye-opening. 

 

The man below knows better than most:

 

I've been travelling to the Philippines since 1977 and have been married to a Filipina for 37 years.

 

I have always found that raising your voice in the Philippines is just a great turn off. The Filipinos turn off, turn deaf and simmer with anger if you do.  Rational calm requests are more likely to get best results.

 

As for name calling that is using derogatory names/racist based well that is a quick way to get yourself in a whole lot of hurt.

 

Working girls in bars or freelancers don't need to be called degrading names.  We all know the business they are in and a whole bunch of them do it because of low education and wish to support family.  It is a means to an end.  There are those who are just plainly in the game to make as much as they can using any and every trick/scam in the book.

 

Work with what you have or DIE! What would anybody do?

 

The PI has some of the most impoverished people in Asia with the haves and have-nots at staggering differences. Passing judgment on people just trying to survive with no resources is pretty darn low by any standard one goes by.


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Posted 07 November 2017 - 07:30 AM

I'm just curious as to what examples of racism and derogatory language used to describe Filipinos and filinas, on this sub forum prompted you to issue this reminder ?
Mostly its civilised, sometimes members will comment on age or the figure of bargirl's likewise their honesty but its mostly informative and light hearted rather than malicious.
I'd be pushed to remember any outright examples of racism towards the ladies. Jmho.
PS sometimes I don't like or believe their is a need to be as blunt as some members are sometimes but we need to remember the subject we are discussing here.

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Posted 07 November 2017 - 03:51 PM

Im treated like a King But I treat all my Girls like Princess. 

I imagine that you are one those kings with few clothes on, being in the Philippines



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Posted 07 November 2017 - 07:55 PM

I'm just curious as to what examples of racism and derogatory language used to describe Filipinos and filinas, on this sub forum prompted you to issue this reminder ?
Mostly its civilised, sometimes members will comment on age or the figure of bargirl's likewise their honesty but its mostly informative and light hearted rather than malicious.
I'd be pushed to remember any outright examples of racism towards the ladies. Jmho.
PS sometimes I don't like or believe their is a need to be as blunt as some members are sometimes but we need to remember the subject we are discussing here.

Some of the expressions like F.L.I.P, F.L.I.P.P.E.R or F.L.I.P.S when referring to Filipinos or W.H.O.R.E.S  or sluts when referring to bar girls.  These are just a few of the words I can recall.  The uppercase and full stops are there because of board software which places an alternative word in their place.

 

We wouldn't allow Septic or Septic Tank which is Cockney slang for Yank or American. Sheep shagger for our NZ brothers, raghead or towelhead as these are all racist and downright rude. Some think it is funny to use these expressions but it just creates disharmony among BMs for want of using the correct term.


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Posted 07 November 2017 - 08:12 PM

Ah well I don't use them so I guess its OK. Is that board wide or just in Subic sub forum ?
My mistake I re read the original post it includes all forums.

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Posted 08 November 2017 - 02:58 AM

Is Kanol a racist word?



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Posted 08 November 2017 - 06:36 AM

I see no need to generally disrespect Filipinos (or anyone else for that matter) but find some of the comments interesting. 

"You have experience, that's fine" - well so do I but some things still punch my buttons. Trike drivers are the main one probably. Along with them the refusal to offer change on a jeepney to foreigners. In the days of express visa extension paying the money only to be told to come back tomorrow when the guy who stamps the passport is sitting 10ft away. I deal with these types of situation by either getting my wife to deal with it or just avoiding the issue completly unless there is no other option because I know my fuse is too short in such circumstances. 

"Some of the expressions like F.L.I.P, F.L.I.P.P.E.R or F.L.I.P.S when referring to Filipinos or W.H.O.R.E.S  or sluts when referring to bar girls" - and yet LBFM seems to acceptable. Or how about being called Farang in Thailand? Hardly a compliment but accepted into daily use.

What I find really strange are those who constantly complain about the place yet choose to live here. They must have had it really shitty somewhere else in an earlier life.



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Posted 08 November 2017 - 09:55 AM

Gentleman,

Please, this applies to all forums regarding bars and the ladies that work in them. They should be treated with respect. Please do not judge those you most likely know nothing about. It's never been the spirit of this board to demean the Filipino people in any way whatsoever. This is highly frowned upon as we are guests in their country and should respect them as human beings having their own nation. As we say in our rules, if you ain't got something good to say, then please don't say at all. This mainly applies to degrading terms used toward Filipinas and Pinoys alike.
We are not saying that negative comments are not allowed, we are just saying they are best kept to yourselves when speaking about the Philippines and it's population who have enough hardships to endure without people judging them for the minimal options available to them.

Let's see anybody start with nothing in a country such as the Philippines and do any better than the next Filipino. I would venture to say the outcomes would be pretty much the same.

This has always been the unwritten rule and we try to filter out certain words that are simply racist in nature. Racism has no place here and will get you banned rather quickly. Thanks for your understanding and sorry to state the obvious as most of you understand what is being said here. There are always a few who figure they can sidestep our very basic rules. Please read them here if you haven't already.

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Huh? Sorry, but I do have to scratch my head.

Aren't there many posts about Koreans?

Aren't there many posts about challenges one encounters in the Philippines? (And, these posts complain about Filipinos?)

Isn't the term LBFM racist?

And, if I were a feminist (which I am not) would posting pics of girls, but no pics of Mongers be considered sexist?

If I am completely honest, I am a racist (and a sexist). But, so is most of the planet. Ok, now let the guys that say they do not see color hit me.

Racism is everywhere. In my opinion, pretending it does not exist is actually one of worst forms of racism around.

You can not fix (or minimize the impact) of what you do not acknowledge.

At one company, my staff was over 50% women, and I had several different ethnicities represented. I recruited that staff. Weirdly enough, Human Resources kept hounding my Department for our recruiting documentation. Finally, I was fed up and met with the HR VP, demanding to know exactly where they believed we were failing. Her response, "Oh your Department is great. We have a couple of Engineering Departments that never hire women. We need your documentation to offset their bad record."

This website is no paragon of virtue, and I do not think we should pretend that we are.

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Posted 10 November 2017 - 02:58 AM

Huh? Sorry, but I do have to scratch my head.

Aren't there many posts about Koreans?

Aren't there many posts about challenges one encounters in the Philippines? (And, these posts complain about Filipinos?)

Isn't the term LBFM racist?

And, if I were a feminist (which I am not) would posting pics of girls, but no pics of Mongers be considered sexist?

If I am completely honest, I am a racist (and a sexist). But, so is most of the planet. Ok, now let the guys that say they do not see color hit me.

Racism is everywhere. In my opinion, pretending it does not exist is actually one of worst forms of racism around.

You can not fix (or minimize the impact) of what you do not acknowledge.

At one company, my staff was over 50% women, and I had several different ethnicities represented. I recruited that staff. Weirdly enough, Human Resources kept hounding my Department for our recruiting documentation. Finally, I was fed up and met with the HR VP, demanding to know exactly where they believed we were failing. Her response, "Oh your Department is great. We have a couple of Engineering Departments that never hire women. We need your documentation to offset their bad record."

This website is no paragon of virtue, and I do not think we should pretend that we are.

You must be new to Internet forums?

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Posted 10 November 2017 - 03:22 AM

Is Kanol a racist word?

I believe you're referring to "kano". This is an abbreviation for Americano, (aka American) it's shortened to 'kano (note there is no letter "c" in the Filipino alphabet, they use the letter "k" in its place). The original use was just a shortened form of the longer Americano and was not used to show disrespect. As with any word, it can always be used inappropriately, but from my experience with the locals it is not normally intended as a racist term.


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Posted 10 November 2017 - 03:58 AM

I believe you're referring to "kano". This is an abbreviation for Americano, (aka American) it's shortened to 'kano (note there is no letter "c" in the Filipino alphabet, they use the letter "k" in its place). The original use was just a shortened form of the longer Americano and was not used to show disrespect. As with any word, it can always be used inappropriately, but from my experience with the locals it is not normally intended as a racist term.


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Whenever I visit my wife's town I get called Kano.  i don't take it as disrespect even though I'm from Australia :P

 

It is also used there because until 1976 the American company Insular Lumber Co. cut and milled hardwood there and virtually made it a very rich town with full employment. Insular was the largest lumber and sawmilling company in the world.



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Posted 10 November 2017 - 05:44 AM

Whenever I visit my wife's town I get called Kano. i don't take it as disrespect even though I'm from Australia :P


All us poreigners the same in RP....


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Posted 10 November 2017 - 07:04 AM

I believe you're referring to "kano". This is an abbreviation for Americano, (aka American) it's shortened to 'kano (note there is no letter "c" in the Filipino alphabet, they use the letter "k" in its place). The original use was just a shortened form of the longer Americano and was not used to show disrespect. As with any word, it can always be used inappropriately, but from my experience with the locals it is not normally intended as a racist term.


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Many times they call foreigners Joe. Short for GI Joe


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Posted 10 November 2017 - 01:32 PM

Many times they call foreigners Joe. Short for GI Joe


I used to hear that frequently when I first visited RP, but not so much anymore. I do spend most of my time with members of my kapamilya around me, so the terms of address I hear most are Ninong and kuya.


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Posted 10 November 2017 - 09:42 PM

Huh? Sorry, but I do have to scratch my head.

Aren't there many posts about Koreans?

Aren't there many posts about challenges one encounters in the Philippines? (And, these posts complain about Filipinos?)

Isn't the term LBFM racist?

And, if I were a feminist (which I am not) would posting pics of girls, but no pics of Mongers be considered sexist?

If I am completely honest, I am a racist (and a sexist). But, so is most of the planet. Ok, now let the guys that say they do not see color hit me.

Racism is everywhere. In my opinion, pretending it does not exist is actually one of worst forms of racism around.

You can not fix (or minimize the impact) of what you do not acknowledge.

At one company, my staff was over 50% women, and I had several different ethnicities represented. I recruited that staff. Weirdly enough, Human Resources kept hounding my Department for our recruiting documentation. Finally, I was fed up and met with the HR VP, demanding to know exactly where they believed we were failing. Her response, "Oh your Department is great. We have a couple of Engineering Departments that never hire women. We need your documentation to offset their bad record."

This website is no paragon of virtue, and I do not think we should pretend that we are.

 

Did we ever say we are paragons of anything even close to virtuous? That word does not belong here dude. I believe we have been very clear in our respect for where we are and there is certain terminology that does not belong here. Calling us racists for making it not existent for the most part in this community is racist? Um OK whatever makes you feel better on that high horse is fine by me. I believe most of us are very honest of our perverted natures otherwise we would not be posting here. So you are saying anything should go and let the whole board implode into racism and bigotry? That will make everything better right? None of us are pretending here, this is real life. Sure racism is everywhere but we try and mitigate here if that's OK with you.

 

We live in a far from perfect World that gets worse much faster at any point in history. This board is far from perfect and none of us profess such nonsense. The only thing perfect is the fact any of us are even alive. Even that is debatable.


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