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@  doctor who : (20 November 2017 - 01:09 PM)

Strawberry Jam

@  doctor who : (20 November 2017 - 01:07 PM)

GET A LIFE LOSERS1, STFU already,,, this intelligent post comes from a Member who's trying to close this topic down ,, WTF people who live in Glass houses shouldnt throw stones, or every Action gets a Reaction, telling members to STFU is the wrong way to go about what your trying to achive,, And i didnt need to go to univercity find that out,

@  coolboss : (20 November 2017 - 12:25 PM)

subic bay

@  SimonAngeles : (20 November 2017 - 11:51 AM)

Just to add some thoughts to the C saga. Think of his user name, his constant need for reassurance both from his woman and followers of his blogs. Couldn't handle any form of criticism whether constructive or even observations. I liked his blogs personally but I still believe he's insecure and has his own issues.

@  kantutero : (20 November 2017 - 09:42 AM)

Like a bunch of bored old ladies gossiping; and they say Filipinas love tzismis!

@  kantutero : (20 November 2017 - 09:41 AM)

GET A LIFE LOSERS! If you have nothing else to talk about than somebody else's unfortunate incident then STFU already.

@  stew : (20 November 2017 - 06:09 AM)

@Psychman post anything that makes you feel a little better about yourself

@  Gillette : (20 November 2017 - 06:07 AM)

Haha!

@  Psychman : (20 November 2017 - 06:04 AM)

gee stew...thanks, but while that post might have taken you hours to write, it took me three minutes.

@  stew : (20 November 2017 - 05:40 AM)

@bill44ca & Psychman , most guys at too busy with our own lives to over think how a 70+ year old monger deals with his, maybe you guys need a little something extra in yours lives

@  bill44ca : (20 November 2017 - 04:25 AM)

The constant need for cuddling is not normal and if she is the same and he can't even walk ahead of her there are bound to be problems. Maybe he didn't want to finish the TR and admit the fights and shame

@  doctor who : (20 November 2017 - 03:55 AM)

And then getting someone else to do it for you ,,when you are reading every word ,, adds wood to the fire

@  doctor who : (20 November 2017 - 03:53 AM)

plus 2

@  Gillette : (20 November 2017 - 03:52 AM)

Well, that is a very reasonable analysis in my opinion Psychman.

@  Psychman : (20 November 2017 - 03:50 AM)

The end :)

@  Psychman : (20 November 2017 - 03:50 AM)

I have learned a ton about the hobby by others exploring the practices of others...to have someone say my behavior is not for discussion goes beyond the nature of what an internet forum is

@  Psychman : (20 November 2017 - 03:49 AM)

example..years ago, there were a few guys who made a walk between a mongering spot and a certain hotel in San Jose Costa Rica last at night..they insisted it was safe..they were challenged on this behavior, not for them, but for newbies and others...to not challenge them would be to be complicit ...same thing when mongers hear others going down certain paths....

@  Psychman : (20 November 2017 - 03:47 AM)

The whole point of challenging some of his ideas and MO was not for HIM, but for others..that is the nature of this board, and boards like it-ideas are presented and discussed so all can learn from them, not for one men's ego..that is what a personal blog is for..

@  Psychman : (20 November 2017 - 03:45 AM)

HankMTV..I will answer, at least for me. C tolerated no feedback or discussion that did not 100 percent agree with his actions or perceptive. This is a board for the free exchange of ideas, and that type of controlling behavior will get push back. Especially since he was more than free to evaluate other people's ideas in other threads.And Old Fart, bossy at best, but really controlling beyond belief

@  bill44ca : (20 November 2017 - 03:30 AM)

@tacolover I don't know anything about facial recon either but if that is possible Cudddler might have posted the same photos on facebook as on the board. Maybe Biggles knows if he even used her real name if he met her she might not even named Mars



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#1 OFFLINE   charmz80823

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Posted 19 August 2017 - 08:27 AM

Read that voo doo in Ac got an Ac that would allow smoking in bars. Was wondering if any bars in subic that has one. And if no smoking in bar can you smoke some where by the entrance


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Posted 19 August 2017 - 08:40 AM

Cheap charlies is smoking as its open air but no bf. Best advice would be to ask when there and follow the lead of other smokers.
Perhaps have a few drinks n smokes at Charlie's then off to a bar to barfine n bring your wife for the night back there to charlies to socialise.
Shouldn't take longer than one beer to barfine, you should be able to last 15-20 minutes without a puff.
But I'm a lifelong non smoker so don't understand the addiction.
Things are ever changing and its a new rule settling in, I'm sure some compromise will emerge.

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Posted 19 August 2017 - 08:58 AM

Voodoo is actually building an enclosed smoking area.   It will be located at the back area where nobody hardly ever sat anyway.  You are not supposed to be within 10 meters(33 feet) from the entrance.   That rule makes it  illegal to even smoke in the middle of the street on Angeles Walking Street, because the distance between one bar and the bar across the street would have to be more than 20 meters.    From my few trips to Subic though, the setup there should allow you to get 10 meters from the entrance without being 10 meters from the front of another establishment.     


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Posted 19 August 2017 - 08:59 AM

Cheap charlies is smoking as its open air but no bf. Best advice would be to ask when there and follow the lead of other smokers.
Perhaps have a few drinks n smokes at Charlie's then off to a bar to barfine n bring your wife for the night back there to charlies to socialise.
Shouldn't take longer than one beer to barfine, you should be able to last 15-20 minutes without a puff.
But I'm a lifelong non smoker so don't understand the addiction.
Things are ever changing and its a new rule settling in, I'm sure some compromise will emerge.

 

 

Agreed just go get a Puta from one of the bars and only stay 15 minutes in fact you would not even have to buy a drink if you just walk up to the stage and talk to one of the above average looking women which might be a 6 or even a 7 if you are really lucky then just take her back to Cheap Charlies and they even have food and they allow you to order in food from anywhere at no extra charge.  Problem solved and Hot Zone is close by and has some cute ones in the photos.  


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Posted 19 August 2017 - 09:04 AM

Shouldn't take longer than one beer to barfine, you should be able to last 15-20 minutes without a puff.
 

 

That works for me, because I am a guy who doesn't go to bars to "hang out" or to drink.    For guys who go to drink and hang out, finding a smoking establishment will be more important to them.   Hell, even for me and the way I barhop, I will still choose a bar with a smoking area over one that doesn't have one.  


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Posted 19 August 2017 - 10:49 AM

Cheap charlies is smoking as its open air but no bf. Best advice would be to ask when there and follow the lead of other smokers.
Perhaps have a few drinks n smokes at Charlie's then off to a bar to barfine n bring your wife for the night back there to charlies to socialise.
Shouldn't take longer than one beer to barfine, you should be able to last 15-20 minutes without a puff.
But I'm a lifelong non smoker so don't understand the addiction.
Things are ever changing and its a new rule settling in, I'm sure some compromise will emerge.

The 'open air' needs clairification. The ordinance reads...'all public places...' and it included "outdoor spaces".


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#7 OFFLINE   charmz80823

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Posted 19 August 2017 - 07:22 PM

Thanks for advice

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Posted 19 August 2017 - 07:58 PM

The 'open air' needs clairification. The ordinance reads...'all public places...' and it included "outdoor spaces".

Agreed and I'm neither a lawyer or a smoker, it was just my understanding that (maybe just for the moment) smoking is permitted in that sort of establishment.
If Charlie's is not a smoking establishment I'm sure someone will comment.
If you take the wording literally, it limits smoking to your own home.

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Posted 20 August 2017 - 01:45 AM

Agreed and I'm neither a lawyer or a smoker, it was just my understanding that (maybe just for the moment) smoking is permitted in that sort of establishment.
If Charlie's is not a smoking establishment I'm sure someone will comment.
If you take the wording literally, it limits smoking to your own home.

The wording is not ambiguous. It clearly states that smoking is not permitted in any place where the public gathers. This includes open air establishments. If places wish to interpret it to mean that smoking is permitted and if they get cited, it's a risk they have to take.


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Posted 20 August 2017 - 06:41 AM

Where does it say that? Are you talking about the EO or the Local ordinance. Neither say that under "prohibted acts".

 

EO prohibits - ... smoking within enclosed public places and public conveyances.... 

Local ordinance prohibits - smoking in enclosed or partially enclosed public places... etc

 

 

The wording is not ambiguous. It clearly states that smoking is not permitted in any place where the public gathers. This includes open air establishments. If places wish to interpret it to mean that smoking is permitted and if they get cited, it's a risk they have to take.


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Posted 20 August 2017 - 09:40 AM

The wording is not ambiguous. It clearly states that smoking is not permitted in any place where the public gathers. This includes open air establishments. If places wish to interpret it to mean that smoking is permitted and if they get cited, it's a risk they have to take.

Lawyers make their living arguing the wording of laws, its what they do and who they are.
If laws were truly unambiguous there would probably be a 50% reduction in the legal workforce lol with cases decided by an arbitrator rather than a judge and jury.
I do understand your interest in a level playing field in a competitive environment though.

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Posted 21 August 2017 - 09:25 AM

The wording is not ambiguous. It clearly states that smoking is not permitted in any place where the public gathers. This includes open air establishments. If places wish to interpret it to mean that smoking is permitted and if they get cited, it's a risk they have to take.

 

Not ambiguous but open to interpretation:

"It also includes outdoor spaces where facilities are available for the public or where a crowd of people would gather, such as, but not limited to, playgrounds, sports ground or centers, church grounds, health/hospital compounds, transportation terminals, market, parks, resorts, walkways/sideways, entrance ways, waiting areas, and the line."

 

What is open to interpretation would be the phrase "available for the public".   The bars can restrict access to anyone they want, without having to give a reason.    So would a bar really be considered a facility "available to the public"?   It could be argued that any non-government establishment that can restrict access for any reason can not be considered as "public".  

 

On related note.   Since this EO applies only to "public" places, if they really wanted to get around the order, they could change the bars to private clubs and require membership.   It sounds far fetched, but I once lived somewhere in the states where restaurants, clubs, discos, etc., could not sell alcohol.    This prohibition only applied to establishments open to the public.   Their solution was to become private clubs.   At the entrance, you paid a membership fee of $5 which allowed you access to the "private club" for one night.   They even gave you a little membership card to show you were a member.    They could definitely do something similar in the bars here in the PI.   Hell, they could even make the "membership fee" consumable, to be used toward the purchase of beverages.  


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Posted 21 August 2017 - 09:30 AM

Where does it say that? Are you talking about the EO or the Local ordinance. Neither say that under "prohibted acts".

 

EO prohibits - ... smoking within enclosed public places and public conveyances.... 

Local ordinance prohibits - smoking in enclosed or partially enclosed public places... etc

 

Actually, I copied and pasted the extract from the actual EO in my post above.  It does include outdoor spaces where facilities are available for the public.


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Posted 21 August 2017 - 10:54 AM

Plenty of smoking in Rabbit Warren 2 weeks ago. May have changed by now though.



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Posted 21 August 2017 - 09:10 PM

does any one know if they got a smoking section in scores

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Posted 21 August 2017 - 09:26 PM

As that retired dude said make it a private club and sell membership on entry, I remember way back in my mid-20's on trip in Freeport, Texas that was the case. This related to alcohol and the club sold you the mixers and ice on top of the membership fee, wasn't really pleasant to tole you the truth.



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Posted 22 August 2017 - 06:08 AM

Unless I misread, you copied the definition of Public area, not the specified prohibited acts? 

 

Actually, I copied and pasted the extract from the actual EO in my post above.  It does include outdoor spaces where facilities are available for the public.


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Posted 23 August 2017 - 08:11 AM

As that retired dude said make it a private club and sell membership on entry, I remember way back in my mid-20's on trip in Freeport, Texas that was the case. This related to alcohol and the club sold you the mixers and ice on top of the membership fee, wasn't really pleasant to tole you the truth.

 

My experience was from Texas also.   I was around the same age too, which was around 30 years ago.   Texas had a lot more dry and semi-dry counties back then as compared to now.   However, the location I was at, the places were allowed to sell alcohol, as long as it was a private establishment.  

 

Unless I misread, you copied the definition of Public area, not the specified prohibited acts? 

 

I stand corrected.  You are 100% correct.   The only place where it is prohibited to smoke is enclosed public places and conveyances.    It lists outdoor public places in the definition section of the EO, but doesn't include outdoor public places in the prohibited section of the EO.   Although their intent might have been to make all public gathering places(both indoor and outdoor) as non-smoking, that is NOT what the EO says.   

So the open air bars are probably good to go.   The definition for enclosed would be having a roof AND one or more walls that take up half the wall space.  


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Posted 23 August 2017 - 11:50 AM

My experience was from Texas also.   I was around the same age too, which was around 30 years ago.   Texas had a lot more dry and semi-dry counties back then as compared to now.   However, the location I was at, the places were allowed to sell alcohol, as long as it was a private establishment.  

 

 

I stand corrected.  You are 100% correct.   The only place where it is prohibited to smoke is enclosed public places and conveyances.    It lists outdoor public places in the definition section of the EO, but doesn't include outdoor public places in the prohibited section of the EO.   Although their intent might have been to make all public gathering places(both indoor and outdoor) as non-smoking, that is NOT what the EO says.   

So the open air bars are probably good to go.   The definition for enclosed would be having a roof AND one or more walls that take up half the wall space.  

And then the question is; would that be half the wall space of the entire bar or half the space where the wall is located?


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Posted 23 August 2017 - 11:41 PM

Half the space where the wall is located? ...I'm going to guess no on that one. 'Wall space' meaning the sum total seems more likely.

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Posted 31 August 2017 - 01:10 AM

I suspect even cheap charlies is non smoking by now

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Posted 24 September 2017 - 08:48 AM

I am a smoker, and when I go out I like to smoke with my beer drinking. I accept the new law and respect it. I usually go to the Dryden Maze complex because I have always liked the bars and staff there. However, I was there just a little over a week ago and was very surprised that I saw no effort to accommodate the smoker. I asked where to smoke and they tell me go outside.i did, then the doorman tell me to go way back beside the building like I'm hiding. I don't know, I guess the bars are satisfied with the business the non smokers give them. Does anyone know if all the bars are like this?

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Posted 24 September 2017 - 12:02 PM

I am a smoker, and when I go out I like to smoke with my beer drinking. I accept the new law and respect it. I usually go to the Dryden Maze complex because I have always liked the bars and staff there. However, I was there just a little over a week ago and was very surprised that I saw no effort to accommodate the smoker. I asked where to smoke and they tell me go outside.i did, then the doorman tell me to go way back beside the building like I'm hiding. I don't know, I guess the bars are satisfied with the business the non smokers give them. Does anyone know if all the bars are like this?

There was some confusion about smoking outside. Right after the ban was announced, the Barangy was patrolling and telling folks they could not smoke in front. I reminded Capt. Baloy that at the City Hall meeting on the subject, I had specifically asked the Task Force Chairman if smoking was allowed as long as it was not on the streets or sidewalks. He responded in the affirmative. There were no more 'smoking police' patrols.

 

From your message, it looks like I didn't get the word out to our security properly. That will  be taken care of now.


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Posted 25 September 2017 - 02:55 PM

I suspect even cheap charlies is non smoking by now

 

In compliance with EO26 and City Ordinance 19, and under specific instructions of City Health Department, the ground floor area of Cheap Charlies Bar is non-smoking, as is the restaurant area on the second floor, whilst our designated smoking area (DSA) is our open air rooftop bar on the third floor. Common sense and mutual respect prevails. 



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Posted 25 September 2017 - 07:01 PM

In compliance with EO26 and City Ordinance 19, and under specific instructions of City Health Department, the ground floor area of Cheap Charlies Bar is non-smoking, as is the restaurant area on the second floor, whilst our designated smoking area (DSA) is our open air rooftop bar on the third floor. Common sense and mutual respect prevails.

Very disappointed to hear that smoking is allowed in rooftop bar.
Cheap Charlies was my favorite bar in Subic.
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