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#1 OFFLINE   schubert

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Posted 15 October 2012 - 10:25 PM

Okay here is my situation. I met this woman 2 1/2 years ago on one of my visits to the Philippines. She is a very Beautiful , hot and well educated professional and also has a 10-year-old son. I really have developed a love for her and I always enjoy our discussions she is very well read and a interesting woman ,we have always enjoyed our time together.
She knows I like to go and play around from time to time like what I do in places like Angeles city. As she told me, a priest once told her that 99% of men are not faithful. So you either need to accept this flaw or never commit to him. She accepts it as a flaw in me, god I love my flaws,lol. But she did lay down some ground rules.
1) Safe sex, she does not want me to bring back any type of disease. So Condoms a must.
2) Kissing is okay but no French kiss.
3) And absolutely no eating at the Y.
4) Does not want me to see the same girl twice, so I don't develop any feelings or emotions for her.
5) And before her and I can have sex Again I need to be tested.ha
6) Any time visiting the Philippines, i must Spend most my time with her before going to play.
7) this one is the most important never and I repeat never screw around where it could cause her embarrassment , this is what the father of her son did .

So after long discussion I have decided to bring her and her son over here to the US on a fiancée visa. This is a big discussion since I have been living by myself for over six years. Even though we have spoke with each other through Skype every night in the last 2 1/2 years, the most time I have ever spent with her is 15 days straight.& I explained to her I cannot guarantee anything, I don't know how we will be over a longer period of time living together. You actually never know how it is going to be until you start living with someone. My second wife I dated for 4 years but 6 months after we got married I new it wasn't going to work. But part of the dilemma is I only get 90 days to make a decision then I can either send her back or I must marry her to keep her here in my country.
90 days is not enough time to know if you will be able to live with someone.
So if I keep her here in this country and marry her Then the next step is a year and a half later for her change of status to citizenship or permanent residents.
I guess what I want to know from experience people is, if I marry her then I have another 1 1/2 years before the change of status takes place. So I guess what I want to know is , is this time another grace period if things go bad then I can still get out Without major consequences Since she is not a permanent resident yet?

Okay I would love a little feedback on this. Thanks.

Edited by schubert, 15 October 2012 - 10:33 PM.



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#2 OFFLINE   Kinky Kiwi

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Posted 15 October 2012 - 10:29 PM

The 90 days suck you guys get. Down in Aussie we get 9 months. All I can suggest is if you intend to make the leap, spend a few months with her in the Philippines as well. Try and get as much time together living as possible. She sounds very possessive as well by her ground rules she has laid down for you.
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#3 OFFLINE   hoegaarden_p

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Posted 15 October 2012 - 10:46 PM

shes cool w/ cheating! Sounds like a winner to me :D

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Posted 15 October 2012 - 11:03 PM

Can you get a holiday visa and then apply for a fiancé visa ?

If you can, make sure that she is divorced too. Many women here don't get divorced as it is not easy. I would ask to see the annulment papers for visa requirement reasons.

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Posted 15 October 2012 - 11:08 PM

Its all about being "Happy" in todays World. Be careful and make sure you protect all your assets...cez

#6 OFFLINE   schubert

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Posted 15 October 2012 - 11:19 PM

Can you get a holiday visa and then apply for a fiancé visa ?

If you can, make sure that she is divorced too. Many women here don't get divorced as it is not easy. I would ask to see the annulment papers for visa requirement reasons.


No the United States does not offers a holiday visa.

She was never married , It is incredible the documents the US government makes us provide. We have over 400 pages of documents right now.

Edited by schubert, 15 October 2012 - 11:20 PM.


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Posted 15 October 2012 - 11:21 PM

sorry, i have no experience on this. however, i am in a similar boat in that i have a non-bar girl who im very attached to (yah, skyping every day altho we havent reached anywhere the 2 year mark).

all i can share is that i think i need to see her again for another 3 or 4 weeks BEFORE i make a decision on the fiance visa. this is after i hung out with her for about 17/18 days back in August.

you might be a difficult position where you cant go back to the phils to "test" her out again. in that case, if you feel comfortable as can be through your skype chats, your only option is to take that leap of faith, which, it appears you're leaning towards.

also, having an "out" can be dangerous in the sense t may loom large in the back of your mind and can be used after something frivolous or not. moreover, having that out can maybe even change the dynamics of the relationship.

if it was me, if and when i make that decision, im not thinking too much about the 90-day rule. im going full steam ahead....

good luck mate. really.
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Posted 15 October 2012 - 11:26 PM

Once you decide to tie the knot after the 90 day period you are now legally bonded to her, and with that comes all the responsibilities of being a husband, father and provider. The year and a half is a government thing before she can become a permanent resident. As was said try to get a long stay with her and her son in the Philippines and if you need to, combine it with the 90 days that you will have on a fiance visa. She sounds like her head is screwed on right, and her ground rules are for her protection as well as yours. Take your time by all means, but IMO she sounds like a keeper. Just my 2cents worth.

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Posted 15 October 2012 - 11:36 PM

you might be a difficult position where you cant go back to the phils to "test" her out again. in that case, if you feel comfortable as can be through your skype chats, your only option is to take that leap of faith, which, it appears you're leaning towards.

also, having an "out" can be dangerous in the sense t may loom large in the back of your mind and can be used after something frivolous or not. moreover, having that out can maybe even change the dynamics of the relationship.



In the past 2 1/2 years I have visited her five times. The last time was the longest which was 15 days.

I want to have an out just in case there is something I missed. You never know until you start living with someone I got burnt on this once before. I am 52 now and I do not want to be stuck with something I will be miserable with the rest of my life.

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Posted 15 October 2012 - 11:46 PM

my bad, i mis-read. its true, people can change, especially in a new setting. some states have an annulment period but i am not sure how long that period is.

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Posted 15 October 2012 - 11:55 PM

I have heard, the period from getting married to the change of status to permanent resident is a time that you can get out. Because she is not a permanent resident yet, her status is only temporary till its changed

But this is what I would like to confirm.

Edited by schubert, 16 October 2012 - 12:04 AM.


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Posted 16 October 2012 - 02:13 AM

As a guy who has done the aussie version of this I would say book your wedding for the last couple of days of the 90.

By the end of 90 days living together you will have a good understanding of where its at.

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Posted 16 October 2012 - 02:40 AM

No the United States does not offers a holiday visa.....

Are you serious? That sucks big-time!

My Thai GF is back in Australia now (for the third time) - and once again on a Tourist visa.

This time she got a 12-month long, multiple entry visa allowing her to come and go as many times as she wants within the 12-months, but limited only to trips of less than 3-months at a time. This must be the only thing that the Australian Government does sensibly!

But this time she is only going to be here for 2 weeks as she has some business to sort back in Thailand. (Much to my dismay, that means I will be able to make a quick trip to A.C. - and make the P.I. Addicts Dinner / Bar-hop on 1st November!!!! Woo Hoo!!)

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Posted 16 October 2012 - 03:09 AM

Once you decide to tie the knot after the 90 day period you are now legally bonded to her, and with that comes all the responsibilities of being a husband, father and provider. The year and a half is a government thing before she can become a permanent resident. As was said try to get a long stay with her and her son in the Philippines and if you need to, combine it with the 90 days that you will have on a fiance visa. She sounds like her head is screwed on right, and her ground rules are for her protection as well as yours. Take your time by all means, but IMO she sounds like a keeper. Just my 2cents worth.


exactly what wolfy said..
I went through the entire process..
from a fiancee visa to a 90 day waiting period in the USofA to marriage in Nevada and 8 years later a divorce in California..
I also lived with my ex for many months in manila and negroes occ before filing with the US embassy in Manila for a fiancee visa just to make sure I was doing the right thing..like I've said before, she's a wonderful girl but it just didn't work out for us because she wanted kids..
once you get married in the states that's the end of it..NO WAITING PERIOD..
she can file for permeant residence herself even if you want to divorce her..you have signed a legal contract with the united states government that she is your responsibility until she becomes a US citizen..
I have heard of a few very rare cases where the girl wanted to go back to the philippines but you will need to send her money..
once she has her greencard she's home free even if she doesn't file for citizenship..

I feel for you..I have never filled out so much paper work in my life..then there's the lines at the embassy and if I recall about 3 interviews where they grill you over hot coals..
she sounds like a good girl but give it some more thought..we all have different situations in life..

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Posted 16 October 2012 - 11:15 AM

Can you get a holiday visa and then apply for a fiancé visa ?

If you can, make sure that she is divorced too. Many women here don't get divorced as it is not easy. I would ask to see the annulment papers for visa requirement reasons.


Apply for cenomar online with nso. Had mine delivered to my house in USA for $25.

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Posted 16 October 2012 - 12:03 PM

The year and a half is a government thing before she can become a permanent resident.


Okay, so are you saying after the 90 days an marriage everything else is just a formality.? I know after the marriage we need to apply for a Social Security number and EAD card, (employment authorization document.)
After all that I have read there is an interview at the immigration office. What is this interview all about? I thought at this point they still can determine her eligibility to stay in the country. Am I off on this line of thinking? Or is it just a formality? I have only researched up to the marriage and I am not quite sure how everything works after the marriage with the US immigration.

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Posted 16 October 2012 - 12:19 PM

Are you serious? That sucks big-time!



From what I am seeing, the United States does not make it easy for someone to enter the country. It is great that Australia gives that type of visitation over a year time. This would definitely give plenty of time to take the pressure off the marriage decision we only get a 90 day period.

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Posted 16 October 2012 - 01:46 PM

Have you had your petition approved yet?

IMHO don`t apply for the Fiance visa for this lady and her son.

Do you honestly expect that this lady will let you travel to the PI whenever you wish once she is in the US with you? This lady is very possessive and type that will easily get jealous of your mongering attitude as shown already..It could get worse! Sorry to state but IMHO I think this lady wants to just use you and will use the least excuse to get half of your assets once she has permanent residence.

Just think of her as a friend with benefits and No More...You have the advantage over her when your in the PI and she has no choice and accept your mongering ways.

Once this lady and her son are the US your life will change completely,especially if you did marry within the 90 day period..Enjoy your life without any commitments.

Whatever you decide..Think Carefully!

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Posted 16 October 2012 - 01:55 PM

No the United States does not offers a holiday visa.

She was never married , It is incredible the documents the US government makes us provide. We have over 400 pages of documents right now.


But they offer a tourist visa. I know, my Filipino mum in law got one in London, 10 year multiple entry.

And seriously, you only ever spent 15 days max with her at one time, and you're thinking of shipping her home and getting married????

Holiday romance!! That is what you had. 15 days on holiday is a whole world apart from full time, every day, 365 a year living together.

And don't for even ONE SECOND think she will allow you to screw around once she has that gold on her finger, and 50 new Filipina friends telling her exactly what her rights are now she is in the USA.

And believe me buddy, there will be that certain few vindictive bitches who will be queuing up to let her know exactly how much she can screw your for.

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Posted 16 October 2012 - 01:59 PM

It works this way (BTDT):
You have 90 to marry, then you apply for adjustment of status (AOS, 2 year GC)
The AOS sometimes requires an interview. USCIS wants to know if you are in a real marriage.
90 days before her GC expires you apply for Removal of condition, the ROC sometimes requires an interview, for the same reason of AOS. She will get a 10 year GC if approved.
If you decide to cut before the 2 years, you can get out and she will technically have to go back to Phil.
However, more often than none, the girl claims abuse, get a divorce and can apply for ROC on her own.

I would suggest you to have a pre-nup and just divorce her if things don't work out.
If she decides to stay or go back would be none of your business, or in other words, just move on.

ps. On another note, 400 pages!!! Really?! Don't clutter your I-129, mine had only 20 pages. You are dealing with a bureaucrat, make his/her life easier by not sending stuff you don't need. Study the process, be complete having attention to detail. That's all.

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Posted 16 October 2012 - 03:56 PM

ps. On another note, 400 pages!!! Really?! Don't clutter your I-129, mine had only 20 pages. You are dealing with a bureaucrat, make his/her life easier by not sending stuff you don't need. Study the process, be complete having attention to detail. That's all.


First of all let me thank you for your information, I will absorb everything and analyze it before I make a final decision.

A decision has already been made And approved for her to come to the US. I will be flying to the Philippines in November to get her and her son. The decision to marry will be determined later.

I still am concerned about a few things. Financially I think I have most of everything covered. I will definitely have a prenup. My biggest concern would be my pension which I'm eligible to receive next year. I talked with my attorney and he said if For any reason it only lasted a couple years and we divorced she would only be eligible for a small portion of my pension. But he is not an immigration attorney so he did not know if I would have any liability towards her or her son for alimony or child support. Alimony would only be short term but child-support would be long term and this is what concerns me.

Don't get me wrong she is a great woman and her son is a neat kid. But we've all been there and we can't be naïve to believe everything is going to be perfect sometimes things go wrong. 90% of me believes she is the woman I could live the rest of my life with, the 10% I worry about And wants to make sure that I Cover all possibilities.

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Posted 16 October 2012 - 09:04 PM

schubert, it is different in Australia, with our regulations. However, king Herald's post is "spot-on" and CERTAINLY applies in every country with spouses or girlfriends? In Australia my solicitor told me that in most cases a pre-nup was not worth the paper it is written on! I always value his advice and services.Won a very difficult Family Court "battle", which usually favours the Wife. It can be tough in a relationship if jealous and troublesome "new" Filipino friends suddenly start becoming "vindictive bitches" lining up to cause trouble! Perhaps living together in the Phils for six months would help???. Being a monger with her approval and list of "do's and dont's may be ok in the Phils, but how long do you think it would be before ALL her friends know this TOO? You might have to give up more than you think? On this "fact" alone i would think that it would throw a VERY dark shadow over any pre-nup??? Good luck, but take your time to work through things1

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Posted 17 October 2012 - 01:12 AM

If you do not legally adopt her son, there isn't much it can be done as far as child support.
However, I would discuss this issue with an attorney.

Regarding USCIS, you must remember that you signed an affidavit of support, which makes you responsible for their well being and not being a burden for the government. I personally don't know how far it can be enforced, so it is something you need to find out.

I've seen all sort of cases, with different scenarios and outcomes.
In most cases the US citizen gets the shaft when things go sour, with very few exceptions.
It is always a risk, but if you prepare yourself they can be manageable.

BTW, you are one of the few guys that actually think practically, most are "dumbed" by love and do nothing.
These are the ones that get the big shafts.

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Posted 17 October 2012 - 01:29 AM

Schubert, your pension should be covered in the prenup. In addition to the prenup get a legal doc stating you future wife understands English or she could come back and say she didnt understand what she was signing...... could end up costing you in the long run. As for the child as long as you dont adopt him you shouldn't have to pay child support. You're not legally his father.

I went through the same thing you are going through now......... 90 days will give you some sorts idea how she will be. But I would keep her away from other Filipinas. It worked for me ..... still together 9 years later. Good Luck

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Posted 17 October 2012 - 05:22 AM

... I will definitely have a prenup...


Prenups with a foreigner almost never work. It's a valid argument for her to say that she didn't understand what she was signing and that will get the prenup thrown out. At the very least she would have to have her own attorney that she picked out to review the prenup before she signs. You may need the prenup translated into her prefered language.




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